Topic: Qur'an and the Divine origins of the Bible.
anonymous
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Qur'an and the Divine origins of the Bible.
Posted on: 02/11/04 at 05:26:16 AEST
I understand that the Qur'an would not provide you with research material for your quest on biblical chronology and synchronism, and I gather from the majority of other material on your website you are a man of faith, believing in the divine books and in Jesus (peace be upon him).
But my question is 'Do you recognise the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), the final messenger of god and the Book that was revealed to him, the Qur'an, which recognises the Divine and Infallible Origin of the Bible?'
One of the reasons the Qur'an was revealed was to verify all the previous prophets and the messages they conveyed to the world and verify the books that preceded it.
"He has revealed to thee (O Muhammad) the Book with truth, verifying that which is before it, and He revealed the Torah and the Gospel before, a guidance for the people, and He sent the Discrimination (the Qur'an)." - Holy Qur'an (3:3)
As a Muslim, I respect the beliefs of all men and seek knowledge as one should. So, as this site and it's unsual author has caught my interest, I wish to ask your opinion/belief (if it doesnt deviate too much from your regular studies) on the above mentioned.
Thankyou.
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R .P. BenDedek
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Re: Qur'an and the Divine origins of the Bible.
Posted on: 02/11/04 at 23:33:56 AEST
Well the last thing I ever expected to be asked, was my theology on Islam. I did however expect that sooner or later someone would want me to disclose my personal theology. I have an internet friend at Yahoo Religion_forum who called me 'inscrutable' because he was unable to determine if I was Christian or Jew, and which type of either.
I made it a conscious point when writing my book, not to favour any theological viewpoint, but to approach the work 'academically'. So I'm afraid that the answer here is going to be somewhat smelling of 'political correctness', because I have no intention of revealing my personal theology or religion.
While my friend Phillip Parker at Yahoo Religion_forum would strongly disagree with my following statement (we debated this on the internet), I believe that Jews, Christians and Muslims all believe in the G-d of Abraham, and that we all worship the same G-d.
Jews, Christians and Muslims today make up more than 50% of the worlds population (used to be 52% about 15 years ago). In the time of Jesus, only about 10% of the world's population recognised the G-d of Abraham.
One of the things I see from Scripture is that G-d the creator, wishes to be recognised by his creation, and so from that perspective, I have no hassles with the concept of Islam being G-d inspired.
Was Mohammed a prophet of G-d? I don't know enough to KNOW. If so, is Islam the FINAL revelation? I don't think so! Give it time and we will see a new prophet arise I'm sure.
The difference between Moses, Jesus and Mohammed, is of course, that Jesus is alleged to be the pre-existent Logos (Word) of God. Is this actually true?
If you study the book of Romans, you can't help but notice that G-d is said to put forward Jesus as a mercy seat of forgiveness, TO PROVE at the present time that HE (G-d) is righteous........
I don't see the redemptive work of Christ as something humanity-centred, but rather G-d centred. Again in the epistle to the Romans, we are told that the effect of Adam's sin was to bring sin and death to everyone in history, but that the effect of the work of Christ, is superabundantly more effective than the effect of Adam's sin.
It does not matter which Christian (or other) religion you are affiliated with, or which branch of it you belong to, each little group believes that it alone has the truth, and that only its' members are saved.
But the purpose of Christ (according to the New Testament) was to REDEEM the world, and to do it in a far more effective manner than the effect of Adam's corrupting sin. So you see I really don't see that it makes a difference if you believe personally in him or not, or if you are a Christian or not, you are still part of the redeemed creation.
This of course will be offensive to Christian Evangelical Fundamentalism, but Jesus said that if you didn't believe in him, then just believe in the works that he did and in him (G-d) who sent him (Jesus).
So from an open non sectarian perspective, I see all three religions bringing attention and worship to the one true G-d, and that at the most fundamental level (although I don't know anything about Islam) they are charged with bringing, demonstrating and maintaining 'humanity' in all areas of Society.
The Jewish prophets, and it doesn't matter which you read, will constantly speak from G-d, words of judgement on those whose actions toward mankind, are not reflective of the love and compassion of G-d. Although you don't see it as much in the New Testament, you do in the Gospels. Jesus slammed the religious leaders and their 'law abiding' spirituality, that turned a cold heart to the realities of life around them to the extent that they could show no compassion or love to their fellow man.
So to answer your question, 'No I don't see Mohammed and the Qu'ran as something special and final' in the revelation of God'. But I also do not see Islam as somehow 'unworthy' or 'not recognised' by God. I'm not sure how to phrase it.
I do believe that the Law of G-d was given to Moses, and that the Jewish people have been and are to be the light of the world, and that in the final analysis, if Jesus is the (pre-existent) Christ of G-d, that his work has redeemed ALL MANKIND, and that between now and the final revelation of this redemption, WE ALL are required to acknowledge THE CREATOR, to worship him, to be obedient to his Righteous ways; to love and care for each other (even if we are strangers in ethnicity, religion, or nationality), and to demonstrate HIS nature and character in our everyday lives.
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Jason Newcomb
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Re: Qur'an and the Divine origins of the Bible.
Posted on: 06/13/05 at 00:02:07 AEST
There is never a "Final" Prophet of God.
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Re: Qur'an and the Divine origins of the Bible.
Posted on: 09/03/05 at 05:14:26 AEST
If a prophet be a prophet - then there must surely (one day) be a final prophet.
Unfortunately today, too many people (religious ones at that) pay too much attention to 'profits' and too little attention to 'prophets'.
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R .P. BenDedek
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HAVE YOUR SAY!
Posted on: 12/16/05 at 05:45:39 AEST
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Re: Qur'an and the Divine origins of the Bible.
Posted on: 08/19/06 at 04:52:18 AEST
From August 19th 2006 Visitors may add comments without becoming members.
By October 14th the White Western Idiots had posted so much crap on this site that the offer is now recinded. May God soon wipe out the Western World and restore decency!!
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